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Affordable Valve Company
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WARNING - There are 2 version of this amplifier.
This auction is for original Chinese
version for GBP £1000.
Please listen to the German distributor
version, and buy from us and save GBP £500 !
There is a MODIFIED IN ENGLAND BY 'LIM AIK LEONG SIGNATURE'
version for GBP £1050
with 1 month home trial (less shipping cost of GBP £30
+ GBP £30. equipment returned during 1 month home trail)
Upgraded with 2 pieces of Silver Mica Ultrasonic filter,
blatantly obvious sweeter treble and less sibilance (when
a woman say 'hiss', it sounds like 'hissssssk'),
big improvement in 10 kilohertz square wave
in our eBay shop at http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Affordable-Valve-Company
Please see review on page 60 of June 2007 Hi Fi World
magazine
for the German distributor version of this very powerful
GERMAN DISTRIBUTOR CLAIMED 120 watts + 120 watts
valve / tube amplifier.
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Is this a 120 watts + 120 watts amplifier
or 80 watts + 80 watts amplifier ?
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For 7 years, I have been telling customer that
the CLAIMED specification of amplifiers, speaker, etc are totally meaningless. |
The German distributor of this valve / tube amplifier
claims 120 watts + 120 watts (which is a bit optimistic)
June 2007 Hi Fi world review measured it at 85 watts + 85 watts. |
We are valve / tube specialist, and we know what we are doing,
so we have always claims 80 watts + 80 watts. |
| We even have 80 watts + 80 watts
printed on the front panel of the amplifier. |
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Hi Fi dealers selling the German distributor version of this amplifier
should remove
all references to the false claim of 120 watt + 120 watts,
because they are breaking British law.
(The law assumes Hi Fi dealers to be professionals,
so Hi Fi dealer cannot 'play dumb'
and pretend that they did not know that the amplifier only produces
85 watts.) |
If you have bought on of the German distributor version of this
amplifier
because they CLAIMED 120 watts,
you can take these Hi Fi dealer to small claims court and get some
damages
(If you are lucky, you might even get your money back, to buy our amplifier
and save GBP £500
or GBP £450 if you
want the Lim Aik Leong Signature version !)
The other party will have to pay court fees, some legal cost, etc
I expect that the Hi Fi dealer will settle out of court and refund
you some money,
maybe even GBP £500. |
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We are valve / tube specialist,
and we know what we are doing,
and we do not make false claims
to deceive Hi Fi enthusiast !
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Money Back Guarantee of
excellent sound & build quality
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If you can find a better sounding amplifier,
we will refund your money ( less £60 or £30
, within 30 days )
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If you do not prefer this amplifier to -
£100 to £100,000 transistor amplifiers
£100 to £100,000 valve / transistor hybrid amplifiers
£100 to £100,000 any valve amplifiers with smallish output
transformers (especially bass)
£100 to £100,000 "Single Ended" valve amplifiers (especially
bass)
£100 to £100,000 "6550 Ultra linear" valve amplifier
£100 to £100,000 "EL34 Triode Connection" with smallish
output transformers (especially bass)
etc , etc , etc |
we will refund your money ( less £60 or £30 ,
within 30 days ) |
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| There are VERY FEW amplifiers that will sound better than this 80 watts
+ 80 watts valve amplifier. |
They are our
£1,400 "Svetlana KT88 Triode Connection - High End" (in stock
+ listed on eBay)
£1,000 "Svetlana KT88 Triode Connection - Lim Signature" (in
stock + ask us to list on eBay, if you are interested)
£1,100 "300B Push Pull" (more stock in 2 months) |
If you do not believe us,
and you can find a better sounding amplifier (regardless
of price or hype),
we will refund your money ( less £60 or £30
, within 30 days ) |
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Our eBay "starting bid" is £30 cheaper than our "normal" price,
(if you include the £30 delivery cost in your calculations.) |
However, if you return the amplifier,
you lose £60,
whereas the customer buying at the "normal" price will only lose £30.
90% of our customers keep
our valve amplifiers !
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If you are 99% certain that you want to buy (and keep) our amplifiers,
then you should place a "starting bid",
and save £30.
90% of our customers keep
our valve amplifiers !
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If you are not sure
about whether or not you want to keep or return the amplifier,
do the eBay "buy now" at the "normal" price,
and you will get FREE DELIVERY (to U.K.),
and you only lose £30, if you return the amplifier.
90% of our customers keep
our valve amplifiers !
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If you are using 10 inch or 12 inch woofers,
this model has a better bass slam than our £640
(starting bid) 40 watt + 40 watts amplifier
(tell us if you want to audition one, and we will list it on eBay ,
and you could save £30 off our normal price)
if you are using 10 inch or 12 inch woofers.
The "typical" 6 inch woofers will produce 1% to 3% of distortion for
10 watts of bass,
so it is better to test for "bass slam" with 12 inch woofers,
which are 5 times bigger than 6 inch speakers,
if you ignore the "useless" metal frame, and part of the "useless"
cone surround,
and measure the "moving area". |
If you only have 6 inch speakers, and you want to test for bass slam,
you could connect up 4 pairs of 6 inch speakers.
( 2 pairs in parallel + 2 pairs in parallel. Then connect them
in series. )
(
This should keep impedance the same.
)
( MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN THE CORRECT PHASE )
(
OR THE BASS WILL CANCEL OUT.
)
(
"Destructive interference" of sound waves
)
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Our £640 (starting bid) 40 watt + 40 watts valve
amplifier has excellent bass,
and will match (or beat) most transistor amplifiers.
Just ONE of the mains / power transformer on £700 40 watt + 40
watt weighs more than 8 kilograms,
which is as much as the "typical" transistor amplifiers, selling for
a few hundred pounds !
But when it comes down to "brute force" of a HUGE bass slam into HUGE
12 inch woofers,
the £940 80 watt + 80 watt valve amplifier wins ! |
If you compare human voices and sweet treble of this 80 watts + 80
watts valve amplifier
against "high end" transistor amplifiers and £3,000
valve
/ tube amplifiers,
most (but not all) people will prefer this 80 watts + 80 watts "MODIFIED
IN ENGLAND" valve amplifier. |
This 80 watts + 80 watts "MODIFIED IN ENGLAND" valve amplifier
will sound different to the Euro 2000 (about £1,500) TAC 834
which has NOT been "modified in England".
Please audition this "MODIFIED IN ENGLAND" amplifier with the Euro
2000 (about £1,500) TAC 834
and decide which amplifier you prefer. |
If you audition this amplifier
(with our FREE £50 upgrade)
(with large value of Silver Mica capacitors and another ultrasonic
filter)
against £3,000 valve amplifiers sold in shops
or £4,000 valve amplifiers sold in shops,
you will probably prefer this £940 valve amplifier.
(with our FREE £50 upgrade)
(with large value of Silver Mica capacitors and another ultrasonic
filter) |
We are that confident,
that we will refund MOST of your money, less £30 or £60,
within 1 month,
if you think that £3,000 valve amplifier sold in shops sound
better ! |
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| This amplifier looks like the Euro 2,000 (about £1,500) TAC 834. |
| Dealers in England are selling the TAC 834 for £1,500 ! |
( What else is new ? You can buy British made car in Belgium, )
( cheaper than from the British car dealer, )
( who located beside the British car factory ! ) |
This POWERFUL "High End" VALVE amplifier with HUGE potted transformers,
that makes the transformers on £4,000 amplifier look small !
We also challenge you to audition our "80 Watt + 80 Watt High End"
against £4,000 valve amplifier,
and if you think that our "80 Watt + 80 Watt High End" does not match
(or beat) the £4,000 VALVE amplifier),
we will refund your money (less £30 for return carriage, within
30 days. Also the original £30 delivery cost is NOT refundable.) |
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| Over the last 4 years, we have been trying to tell everybody that |
| £1,100 TAC 88 (which has 7 valves) is different to our |
| £1,400 "KT88 Triode Connection" (which has 8 valves), |
| but some unscrupulous dealers are still telling customer they are the
same ! |
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If you like GBP £1,100 TAC 88
you can buy the Chinese version for GBP £800 in our eBay shop
at http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Affordable-Valve-Company |
If you like GBP £1,100 TAC 88
you can buy the MODIFIED IN ENGLAND BY 'LIM AIK LEONG SIGNATURE'
Upgraded with 2 pieces of Silver Mica Ultrasonic filter,
blatantly obvious sweeter treble and less sibilance (when
a woman say 'hiss', it sounds like 'hissssssk'),
big improvement in 10 kilohertz square wave
in our eBay shop at http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Affordable-Valve-Company |
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| Our attitude is |
| "If you can't beat them join them !" |
| Our "80 watts + 80 watts" looks like Euro 2,000 (about £1,500)
TAC 834 ! |
Yes, I know that dealers are selling the Euro 2,000 TAC 834 for £1,500.
We are not called "rip off Britain", without reason ! |
Yes, I know that TAC 834 claims more than "80 watts and 80 watts",
but we do not want to get into trouble with the law called "Trade Description
Act",
so we put in a "conservative" 80 watts + 80 watts rating, that we can
prove to be correct ! |
This is a 80 watts + 80 watts valve amplifier , WITHOUT HUGE
HIDDEN CHARGES ,
like shipping from China , "hidden" Import Duty and "hidden" VAT. |
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THE MOST IMPORTANT AND EXPENSIVE PART OF A VALVE AMPLIFIER ARE THE
TRANSFORMERS.
Although the price is low, the HUGE POTTED "output transformers" are
still bigger than amplifier that sells in England for GBP 4,000. |
| Here is a picture to prove it ........ |
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The most important components of a valve amplifier are the valves and
transformers.
And reasonabley priced ultrasonic filrers like Silver Mica capaitors
of the CORRECT VALUE in the CORRECT POSITION
(HUGE changes to cymbals, silnabce on human voices, 10 kiloherst sqaurewave,
etc) |
Different brands of valves do sound SLIGHTLY different,
but,
the difference in sound (especially bass + edgy or smooth midrange
or human voices)
between a SMALL transformer and a BIG transformer is HUGE ! |
The difference caused by £10 volume controls , £10 wires
,
different types of £10 "plastic film" capacitors are TINY
( when compared to the EXPENSIVE £250 + £250 + £150
= £650 of the "all important" transformers ) |
| The huge £250 + £250 = £500 "potted" transformers
are 120 mm x 105 mm x 106 mm (each) |
The huge £150 mains (power) transformer weighs more than 8 kilogram
(on it's own) !
The joke is our £150 mains (power) transformer (on its' own)
will weigh more than the "typical" transistor amplifier sold in "high
street" shops ! |
Does it affect the sound ? YES !
Try it for yourself with our 1 month home trial ( less £30, within
30 days. Also the original £30 delivery cost is NOT refunded ) |
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12 June 2004 - Question from eBay member
does this amp have remote control? |
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| Answer |
Most (but not all) remote control will spoil
the sound !
I better explain this "sweeping statement",
or you will think that I am trying to sell you
our amplifier,
by telling lies ! |
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The easiest way to prove that I am telling the truth is for you to
audition 2 recently reviewed amplifiers with valves AND REMOTE CONTROLS
like |
£2,900 American valve / tube amplifier (WHICH HAS REMOTE CONTROL)
that the June 2004 issue of an English Hi Fi magazine described as
"overall tonality does tilt toward the bright and shiny"
and should be connected to "loudspeakers that are naturally warm and
rich",
and then gave the amplifier a "Best Buy" award. |
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£5,350 American valve / tube and transistor amplifier (WHICH
HAS REMOTE CONTROL)
that is described in June 2004 issue of an English Hi Fi magazine as
"doesn't perhaps achieve the best characteristic of thermionic and
solid state technology
........ midband did seem a trifle congested, with slightly smeared
voices"
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| against |
our £940 (starting bid) valve / tube amplifier
( Included in the price is a "free" £50 upgrade with larger value
of the Silver Mica capacitors, and another "ultrasonic" filter. ) |
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This £940 (starting bid) amplifier does NOT sound "bright and
shiny".
It is NOT warm (with lots of ?nice? 2nd harmonic distortion.
?nicely? distorted sound is NOT HIgh FIdelity !)
It is NOT cold (with lots of "Class B crossover distortion")
It is NEUTRAL. ( HIgh FIdelity means a NEUTRAL accurate reproduction
of the original sound.
"With nought added, and nought taken away !" )
( We are so confident that our MODIFIED IN ENGLAND amplifier sounds
so good,
that you have MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less £30 return
carriage / fee , within £30 days.
Also the original £30 delivery cost is NOT refunded.)
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This £940 (starting bid) amplifier does NOT sound "congested,
with smeared voices".
This £940 (staring bid) has VERY BELIEVABLE human voices , when
connected to
WELL DESIGNED (that can range from £8,000 down to a hilarious
£250) "3 way" speakers,
when using a "live" recording
and the volume control adjusted so that the voices are at a REALISTIC
LIFE SIZE volume.
You CANNOT trick your brain into believing that the singer is in the
room with you ,
if the singer is 10 times louder than a REAL Human Being !
( We are so confident that our MODIFIED IN ENGLAND amplifier sounds
so good,
that you have MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less £30 return
carriage / fee , within £30 days.
Also the original £30 delivery cost is NOT refunded.) |
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DEPENDING ON HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THE REMOTE CONTROL,
you get the problem of |
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| 1. The "typical" remote controls uses a lot of transistors. |
| In most (but not all) remote control, the audio
signal has to go through many transistor ! |
What is the point of build a valve/ tube amplifier,
and then pass the audio signal through transistors
? |
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2. If you are using relays,
"Is it a good (or bad) idea to pass the audio signal,
near the magnetic field of the relay ?" |
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3. If you are using a "motorized volume control",
"Is it a good (or bad) idea to pass the audio signal,
near the magnetic field of the electric motor ?"
( Most small motors have a PERMANENT MAGNET.
)
( This is still a STRONG POWERFUL magnet, even when
you are NOT "using" the motor ) |
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4. "Digital noise" from the "micro controller"
(which is a microprocessor
with "built in" input/output ports ,
a bit of "built in" memory like EPROM , etc).
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Due to stray inductance,
electrolytic capacitors CANNOT "absorb"
""High frequency digital noise",
so the "digital noise" gets into the
power supply of the audio section. |
Even a tiny 1 inch of PCB track will act as
a radio antenna,
and "transmits" the "digital noise" as radio
waves to the audio amplifier.
You do not need big radio aerials. How
big is the aerial on your mobile phone ?
( Do you remember OLD transistor AMPLIFIER
that could receive CB radio, taxi radio, police radios !)
( It is a bad idea to have radio waves INSIDE
the metal box of the amplifier. ) |
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5. You also get "radio" remote control,
which will also generate a lot of "high frequency
noise",
INSIDE the amplifier.
( Do you remember OLD transistor AMPLIFIERS
that could receive CB radio, taxi radio, police radios !)
( It is a bad idea to have radio waves INSIDE
the metal box of the amplifier. ) |
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I disagree with the article in an English
Hi Fi magazine that said that the
"valve amplifier companies tend to be ....small - scale , enthusiast
led affairs
... lacking resources and will to implement ..
complex microprocessor control system (Most people call this a "remote
control" !)" |
There are probably MANY people who will agree with the the above statement,
and think that I am only "waffling" and writing weak excuses,
because the Chinese Designer (in China) and I (in England)
do not know how to put remote controls into our amplifier . |
If you look on page 622 of Maplin Electronic catalogue for September
2003 to August 2004,
you will find a £60 remote control preamplifier (with relay switching
and motorized volume control) |
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Surely, if somebody is INTELLIGENT enough to design and build a valve
amplifier,
he (or she) can buy the £60 remote control preamplifier,
and EASILY "adapt" ?copy? the design / PCB / etc ! |
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The Chinese designer (in China)
, and I (in England)
do have the brains to put a
remote control into our valve amplifiers ! |
The Chinese designer (in China)
, and I (in England)
do NOT want a remote control
in our valve amplifiers,
because
most remote control spoil the
sound ! |
BEFORE you say that
most TRANSISTOR amplifier have
remote controls,
please audition this £940
(starting bid) valve / tube amplifier against the
MOST RESPECTED , MOST EXPENSIVE
, MOST HIGHLY REVIEWED
TRANSISTOR preamplifier / power
amplifier / mono blocks / extra power supply / etc
with remote controls.
( We are so confident that our MODIFIED IN ENGLAND amplifier sounds
so good,)
( that you have MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less £30 return carriage
/ fee , within £30 days.
Also the original £30 delivery cost is NOT refunded.) |
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| Question from eBay member on 11 July 2004 |
| Hi, I wonder if you have the schematics of this amplifier... and its
cost. Thanks, |
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Answer
Sorry,
Whenever there is a successful design,
competitors will want to copy the successful design. |
| There is nothing to stop a competitor from buying one of our amplifier
& copying it. |
But we do not want to make it easy for our competitors,
but giving schematics (circuit diagrams) to strangers.
The next thing I know,
there will be our our schematic published on some internet website,
for everybody to copy ! |
Besides, even if you get the schematics,
you will not be able to get
THE ALL IMPORTANT HUGE "HIGH END" POTTED OUTPUT TRANSFORMERS !
( Which is probably designed by one of the BEST Chinese transformer
designer ! ) |
We use a little bit of "negative feedback".
When you use negative feedback,
the stray inductance and stray capacitance of the "output" transformers
WILL AFFECT THE DESIGN. |
If you change the output transformer
AND YOU USE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK,
you might have have to change to design (a bit),
to ensure that the amplifier remains "stable" ( for treble AND BASS
! ). |
This is one reason
why somebody could build the FAMOUS Williamson amplifier,
WITHOUT USING MR WILLIAMSON'S DESIGN FOR THE OUTPUT TRANSFORMERS,
and then complain about stability, etc ! |
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| 12 July 2004 - Question from owner of £1,300 "KT88
Triode Connection - High End" |
| Subject : Lim; looking on Ebay as you prompted |
Oh dear I should stop sending you such emails; I was being a little
provocative of course.
I DO NOT want to buy any other amp; I am entirely satisfied with my
KT88 Triode.
Do you know it continues to grow on us and delight us. Listening to
our music collection is like listening anew!!! |
I only went "online" to ebay at your suggestion following
that philosophical discussion we were having about UK Hi-Fi being all
about power and loudness.
That was why I was surprised to see you selling 80W outputs when we
both agreed that KT88 Triode at 20W is more than sufficient. |
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| Answer |
?Nov?2003? Hi Fi Choice tested
£2,500 .......censored......
with 6 inch woofer
produces about 1% distortion for about 8 watts of bass. |
?Nov?2003? Hi Fi Choice tested
another different £2,500 .......censored......
with 6 inch woofer
produces about 3% distortion for about 13 watts of bass. |
If you own the "typical" or "high end" 6 inches speakers,
it is pointless to have more than 20 watts of bass,
because MOST 6 inch speakers CANNOT COPE with 20 watts
of bass !
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| To the best of my knowledge, there is only one 6 inch drive unit that
will cope with 20 watts of bass. |
This is an "over the top" drive unit with an Xmax that is 3 times more
than the typical Xmax of +-3 millimetres.
This extraordinary Xmax is achieved by having 2 "spider" suspension,
instead of the "typical" 1 "spider" suspension. |
| To the best of my knowledge, this drive unit is NOT used
in any COMMERCIAL Hi Fi speaker. |
Please ignore ANOTHER speaker manufacturer who like to confuse people,
by quoting Xmax of 6 millimetres, when they actually mean +- 3 millimetres
! |
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You should be aware that MOST (but not all) valve
/ tube amplifier that
claims to produce 20 watts or even 40 watts (in the midrange)
,
might NOT produce 20 watts at 20 Hertz at a reasonable
distortion !
Just look at "serious" Hi Fi magazines that
publish distortion figures of valve / tube amplifiers at 20 Hertz !
Even the "watered down" power at 40 Hertz or 80 Hertz is usually disappointing.
You really need HUGE output transformer and "push pull" operation to
get 20 watts at 20 hertz.
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From a commercial viewpoint,
I will NEVER be able to convince EVERYBODY
that
20 watts WITH GOOD BASS is enough. |
| Why argue with "paying customers" ? |
They get "hot under the collar".
I get "hot under the collar". |
Why don't I sell the 80 watts + 80 watts valve / tube amplifier ?
Customers are happy.
I make some profit.
Everybody is happy ! |
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THE MOST IMPORTANT AND EXPENSIVE PART OF A VALVE AMPLIFIER ARE THE
TRANSFORMERS.
Although the price is low, the HUGE POTTED "output transformers" are
still bigger than amplifier that sells in England for GBP 4,000. |
| Here is a picture to prove it ........ |
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